BIPs - notarization protocol and decentralized storage

Hello Christopher,

Decentralized storage as an idea looks interesting. I am researching about similar things for one of my Bitcoin project. Although an implementation or proof of concept code in the BIP would have been better. Also since this involves LN, maybe it can just be a LN project instead of BIP? Not the best person to comment on what can be a BIP.

Few links that you may find interesting:

https://github.com/bkiac/tarnhelm

https://github.com/ElementsProject/filebazaar

The kind of decentralized storage that I think can be helpful for Bitcoin projects:

1.Uses torrents for files and communication required (with Tor)

2.Easy to use API to save, read, edit etc. something in a Bitcoin project using torrents. Only involve lightning network and payments when spamming can be an issue. For example: If a developer wants users to pay for every P2P offer they create using a DEX protocol.

Projects that are exploring such options: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/415

Thanks Prayank. I think the next step for both of these proposals is to define an API. I thought about including that in the BIPs and decided it wasn't necessary yet to get the ideas across initially. Maybe when the APIs are defined they could go into the BIP, but it's probably better to have in a different document. I also agree with you on Tor.

As far as whether this should be a BIP or not, I wondered that same question. I think the BIP format is well defined and understood so I used it for this and the other BIPs that I'm currently working on like the incentivized moderation protocol which is mentioned in this BIP. There are a number of "Application" BIPs, which is why I decided it made sense. However, if it's decided there's a better format for these BIPs I'm open to it.

Regards, Chris

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:26 PM Prayank <prayank@tutanota•de> wrote:

> Hello Christopher,
>
> Decentralized storage as an idea looks interesting. I am researching about
> similar things for one of my Bitcoin project. Although an implementation or
> proof of concept code in the BIP would have been better. Also since this
> involves LN, maybe it can just be a LN project instead of BIP? Not the best
> person to comment on what can be a BIP.
>
> Few links that you may find interesting:
>
> https://github.com/bkiac/tarnhelm
>
> https://github.com/ElementsProject/filebazaar
>
> The kind of decentralized storage that I think can be helpful for Bitcoin
> projects:
>
> 1.Uses torrents for files and communication required (with Tor)
>
> 2.Easy to use API to save, read, edit etc. something in a Bitcoin project
> using torrents. Only involve lightning network and payments when spamming
> can be an issue. For example: If a developer wants users to pay for every
> P2P offer they create using a DEX protocol.
>
> Projects that are exploring such options:
> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/415
>
> --
> Prayank
>

On Wednesday 21 April 2021 04:26:26 Prayank via bitcoin-dev wrote:

> Also since this involves LN, maybe it can just be a LN project instead of
> BIP? Not the best person to comment on what can be a BIP.

Anything that Bitcoin software would benefit in collaboration with other projects on qualifies.

Lightning itself really should be a series of BIPs.

Luke