Bip-0039/Wordlist - Romanian

4 messages, 4 to 5 Aug 2021. Started by Justin Valceanu.

Justin Valceanu (2), Michel 'ic' Luczak, s7r

Justin Valceanu 4 Aug 2021, 10:30 UTC permalink original

Hello,

I have created a new Romanian wordlist for Bip-0039; Requesting permission to push to github the attached modified files.

Thanks

Michel 'ic' Luczak 4 Aug 2021, 13:28 UTC in reply to Justin Valceanu permalink original

Hi,

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> On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:30, Justin Valceanu via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote:
>
> I have created a new Romanian wordlist for Bip-0039;
> Requesting permission to push to github the attached modified files.

Although I don’t think it ’s hard requirement, it would be great if the words could be uniquely identified using the first 4 letters (most metal backup “plates” only have space for 4 letters).

I see several occurrences of conflicting words in the first page alone.

++ ic

s7r 4 Aug 2021, 22:29 UTC in reply to Michel 'ic' Luczak permalink original

ic via bitcoin-dev wrote:

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> Hi,
>
>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:30, Justin Valceanu via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote:
>>
>> I have created a new Romanian wordlist for Bip-0039;
>> Requesting permission to push to github the attached modified files.
>
> Although I don’t think it ’s hard requirement, it would be great if the words could be uniquely identified using the first 4 letters (most metal backup “plates” only have space for 4 letters).
>
> I see several occurrences of conflicting words in the first page alone.
>
> ++ ic
>

I am +1 on the unique identification using the first 4 letters, makes it easy for restoring from seed on mobile wallets. Don't know if this is really a blocker but since RO is a rich enough language in terms of words, this shouldn't be too hard.

Also, world list is not acceptable in this form. it should be revised by someone with knowledge in Romanian lexical area, I just briefly reviewed and:

- _adesiv_ shouldn't be *adeziv* ?

- _walkman_ - this is not a Romanian word, while it is of course sometimes used in Romania.

- _web_ - this is not a Romanian word, while it is of course sometimes used in Romania.

- _yachting_ - this is not a Romanian word and it most certainly not used in Romania :)) Why not use *navigatie* or something?

- _topmodel_ - it's two words merged in one

- _acvatic_ and _acvaplanare_ - they are both independent words but very close to each other while one is an adjective and one substantive. These two for example break the "no confusing words" spec.

I didn't review the entire word list and no sense to make this message too long, but I'm sure you see the point. Word list needs changes, please correct.

Justin Valceanu 5 Aug 2021, 06:16 UTC in reply to s7r permalink original

Hi,

@IC

There were 325 words that were not uniquely identified by the first 4 chars. I've fixed that.

Also, simple words (* by simple I mean 4 char words *) now fill more space;

@S7R

You were right about __adesiv__ - fixed that; The other sugestions, _topmodel_, _walkman_, _web_, _yachting_ were also removed. Between _acvatic_ and _acvaplanare_ only _acvatic_ remains in the list;

I have also remove words starting with the letters _Q_, _W_, _X_ and _Y_ because most of the words used in Romanian were borrowed from other languages (mostly English, eg. web / yacht / walkman ...);

I am confident that the wordlist is now complete and correct;

Please see attached, the wordlist and some statistics about the word distribution.

Thanks,

Attached is the new list;

Thanks,

On 8/5/21 1:29 AM, s7r wrote:

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> ic via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:30, Justin Valceanu via bitcoin-dev
>>> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have created a new Romanian wordlist for Bip-0039;
>>> Requesting permission to push to github the attached modified files.
>>
>> Although I don’t think it ’s hard requirement, it would be great if
>> the words could be uniquely identified using the first 4 letters
>> (most metal backup “plates” only have space for 4 letters).
>>
>> I see several occurrences of conflicting words in the first page alone.
>>
>> ++ ic
>>
>
>
> I am +1 on the unique identification using the first 4 letters, makes
> it easy for restoring from seed on mobile wallets. Don't know if this
> is really a blocker but since RO is a rich enough language in terms of
> words, this shouldn't be too hard.
>
> Also, world list is not acceptable in this form. it should be revised
> by someone with knowledge in Romanian lexical area, I just briefly
> reviewed and:
>
> - _adesiv_ shouldn't be *adeziv* ?
>
> - _walkman_ - this is not a Romanian word, while it is of course
> sometimes used in Romania.
>
> - _web_ - this is not a Romanian word, while it is of course sometimes
> used in Romania.
>
> - _yachting_ - this is not a Romanian word and it most certainly not
> used in Romania :)) Why not use *navigatie* or something?
>
> - _topmodel_ - it's two words merged in one
>
> - _acvatic_ and _acvaplanare_ - they are both independent words but
> very close to each other while one is an adjective and one
> substantive. These two for example break the "no confusing words" spec.
>
> I didn't review the entire word list and no sense to make this message
> too long, but I'm sure you see the point. Word list needs changes,
> please correct.