Visualizations of Votes
11 messages, 21 to 30 Aug 2015. Started by Odinn Cyberguerrilla.
Odinn Cyberguerrilla (4), Christian Decker (2), Un Ix, Nicolas Dorier, Chris Wardell, Jeff Garzik, Daniel Stadulis
This is a simple post.
Who's got visualizations of votes?
One I've seen that I liked was
http://bipsxdevs.azurewebsites.net/
This just covered how developers feel about the various BIPs though.
A visualization I would like to see would include:
pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP sipa etc) based on what's published in blocks.
Has anyone hacked up such a thing which would describe miner voting, etc. visually in real time?
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https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pools
Limited to 8MB , BIP101 afaik.
On 21/8/15 11:28 am, "odinn via bitcoin-dev" <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote:
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>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >This is a simple post. > >Who's got visualizations of votes? > >One I've seen that I liked was > >http://bipsxdevs.azurewebsites.net/ > >This just covered how developers feel about the various BIPs though. > >A visualization I would like to see would include: > >pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP sipa >etc) based on what's published in blocks. > >Has anyone hacked up such a thing which would describe miner voting, >etc. visually in real time? > >- -- >http://abis.io ~ >"a protocol concept to enable decentralization >and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" >https://keybase.io/odinn >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1 > >iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV1prZAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CsN0IAJeHH7iNO7P77pJIDWbRXY1c >4TUcxeu8Z31OwoR8expv8qLPPGQnO+YbUnwCCSmya9YohA+sDQPoMsbnb7M/k8No >KCoXr5FRrb67c/8k7zVHoXbwlQ2TWRLABEqHS2wA+UuHEOHQewjkpds5HMLc5rRW >mGWaa0bkE54XIQjbDgPOrg4yM7DizO45n4ue1yuntKCgL8Few5LC39IFsTxaQHDj >M8ljBV/XhZ8oJiOje43o+2nxDbmPh9bACt8EqG6Y2jmfY6jDWqDcp+tpvCUmdD1N >TIBRjSDNFviXQFXLDhtjDCF8QwegA8Zu+YYJMwroRzsLXEdQs1SBK2cOiVE73nA= >=mSJl >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >bitcoin-dev mailing list >bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org >https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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> A visualization I would like to see would include: > pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP sipa
etc) based on what's published in blocks.
If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP they support.
Hello Nicolas,
On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote:
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>> A visualization I would like to see would include: > >> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP >> sipa > etc) based on what's published in blocks. > > If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. > However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP > they support.
What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them appear in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks?
I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) comparison of the votes on these competing proposals.
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I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote for generic size: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote:
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello Nicolas, > > On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote: > >> A visualization I would like to see would include: > > > >> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP > >> sipa > > etc) based on what's published in blocks. > > > > If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. > > However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP > > they support. > > What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them appear > in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks? > > I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) > comparison of the votes on these competing proposals. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > - -- > http://abis.io ~ > "a protocol concept to enable decentralization > and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" > https://keybase.io/odinn > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV1rZSAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CuNgIAIOIpHavzz6EJ5AOGBg2T859 > MV7rsPfk1HBV4K1Yf4HfrlD/1SY0L57SANpRodi1NME3pl27QQCDnuwNLAqOLKtA > P/sHXnk9LuSG8Czk0PHOslZ+f1fDbmNm9gtR3QWXGOx0jP2b+WQ8RhkPhqQ++S/i > oXmjyrk+8TTu1hxMbuCcG5bqeS0lBm0SyrSbRTPWH+4U1jGYbxQNKkHnuZGByX4B > HBWuKvIylQzHCfy0ToUW+Z29Y+78wQNQUOA10eq7qpZCZvfRZUov1KBVXLx8GAKy > Y5WGSJYIAt+Rwn9eMxhpD91ZR1vwtqtRZn7M+NtrStPBJt+n4ET9VmPpsMAc/Zc= > =AHv3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >
This is great!! Thank you.
On 08/21/2015 06:24 AM, Christian Decker wrote:
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> I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it > currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote > for generic size: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/ > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev > <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote: > > Hello Nicolas, > > On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote: >>> A visualization I would like to see would include: > >>> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, >>> BIP sipa >> etc) based on what's published in blocks. > >> If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. >> However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally >> BIP they support. > > What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them > appear in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks? > > I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) > comparison of the votes on these competing proposals. > > > > >> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev >> mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >
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While I like the idea of voting on the block size debate... Why is this vote limited to miners only?
I would prefer to see a vote by owners/holders of bitcoin, not miners of bitcoin.
If miners with 10%+ hashrate are the only ones who get to vote... bitcoin development is an oligarchy
My 2cents
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:14 PM, odinn via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote:
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This is great!! Thank you. > > On 08/21/2015 06:24 AM, Christian Decker wrote: > > I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it > > currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote > > for generic size: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/ > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev > > <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote: > > > > Hello Nicolas, > > > > On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote: > >>> A visualization I would like to see would include: > > > >>> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, > >>> BIP sipa > >> etc) based on what's published in blocks. > > > >> If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. > >> However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally > >> BIP they support. > > > > What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them > > appear in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks? > > > > I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) > > comparison of the votes on these competing proposals. > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev > >> mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > - -- > http://abis.io ~ > "a protocol concept to enable decentralization > and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" > https://keybase.io/odinn > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV1+kXAAoJEGxwq/inSG8Ctg4H/0zOfXEO/b+yxgGjnrIiiAi5 > 04Un/C9ZuPCn/dMQ5rZ0e8jIOclNER3NGtKbPBmLweyeN84HlrUUQ0ctRQocY1md > XwGJIMpjpwQCSf52XrH3IC0J8X45DQj3295sDNnmgAkOxIyPABKdDR7RJ8LfQU/B > BmJu0JAIBJmpAkz1ZJ2wYe2T0sUFk8WmvH40BzoIKqu0A9vMcR8IqfKMBI9Qczbw > ZJyWFTsgovS/p/8tSxeI458DsY1WjivdQe7nJNXit6eA5Yle3Cs3nvsA2+6xy5L9 > uedX38+8s3XNXrXY1CCR7ptowjzCI+U6yiFluK+xx1oPPhtdRJYwo4vyTmaCaK8= > =uh68 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >
There is a duplicated column.
BIP 100 voting is /BV\d+/
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Christian Decker via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote:
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> I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it > currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote for > generic size: > http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/ > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello Nicolas, >> >> On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> >> A visualization I would like to see would include: >> > >> >> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP >> >> sipa >> > etc) based on what's published in blocks. >> > >> > If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. >> > However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP >> > they support. >> >> What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them appear >> in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks? >> >> I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) >> comparison of the votes on these competing proposals. >> >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing >> > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org >> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > >> >> - -- >> http://abis.io ~ >> "a protocol concept to enable decentralization >> and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" >> https://keybase.io/odinn >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1 >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV1rZSAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CuNgIAIOIpHavzz6EJ5AOGBg2T859 >> MV7rsPfk1HBV4K1Yf4HfrlD/1SY0L57SANpRodi1NME3pl27QQCDnuwNLAqOLKtA >> P/sHXnk9LuSG8Czk0PHOslZ+f1fDbmNm9gtR3QWXGOx0jP2b+WQ8RhkPhqQ++S/i >> oXmjyrk+8TTu1hxMbuCcG5bqeS0lBm0SyrSbRTPWH+4U1jGYbxQNKkHnuZGByX4B >> HBWuKvIylQzHCfy0ToUW+Z29Y+78wQNQUOA10eq7qpZCZvfRZUov1KBVXLx8GAKy >> Y5WGSJYIAt+Rwn9eMxhpD91ZR1vwtqtRZn7M+NtrStPBJt+n4ET9VmPpsMAc/Zc= >> =AHv3 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > >
See responses in line.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:28 PM, odinn via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote:
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > A visualization I would like to see would include: > > pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP sipa > etc) based on what's published in blocks. >
Pie charts are a poor tool to visualize data.
See: https://www.stevefenton.co.uk/2009/04/pie-charts-are-bad/
Bar charts are better: http://blog.visual.ly/how-groups-stack-up-when-to-use-grouped-vs-stacked-column-charts/
Cheers
Yes, the two dimensions are orthogonal: BIP 100 support and actual size voting. However there seem to be a few pools which simply vote to support BIP100, without specifying a desired block size [1], hence I started tracking both on the same chart, maybe I'll split them into different charts to clarify.
Regards, Chris
[1] https://blockchain.info/tx/ba1e5d21a340772d637ee5dc0bde8072ad1a7b499ba241d5bfaae9618749531e
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 4:46 PM Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail•com> wrote:
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> There is a duplicated column. > > BIP 100 voting is /BV\d+/ > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Christian Decker via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote: > >> I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it >> currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote for >> generic size: >> http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/ >> >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev < >> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org> wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Hello Nicolas, >>> >>> On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote: >>> >> A visualization I would like to see would include: >>> > >>> >> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP >>> >> sipa >>> > etc) based on what's published in blocks. >>> > >>> > If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. >>> > However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP >>> > they support. >>> >>> What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them appear >>> in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks? >>> >>> I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) >>> comparison of the votes on these competing proposals. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing >>> > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org >>> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> > >>> >>> - -- >>> http://abis.io ~ >>> "a protocol concept to enable decentralization >>> and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" >>> https://keybase.io/odinn >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1 >>> >>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV1rZSAAoJEGxwq/inSG8CuNgIAIOIpHavzz6EJ5AOGBg2T859 >>> MV7rsPfk1HBV4K1Yf4HfrlD/1SY0L57SANpRodi1NME3pl27QQCDnuwNLAqOLKtA >>> P/sHXnk9LuSG8Czk0PHOslZ+f1fDbmNm9gtR3QWXGOx0jP2b+WQ8RhkPhqQ++S/i >>> oXmjyrk+8TTu1hxMbuCcG5bqeS0lBm0SyrSbRTPWH+4U1jGYbxQNKkHnuZGByX4B >>> HBWuKvIylQzHCfy0ToUW+Z29Y+78wQNQUOA10eq7qpZCZvfRZUov1KBVXLx8GAKy >>> Y5WGSJYIAt+Rwn9eMxhpD91ZR1vwtqtRZn7M+NtrStPBJt+n4ET9VmPpsMAc/Zc= >>> =AHv3 >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bitcoin-dev mailing list >>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org >>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> >> >
This is looking very good also (you've already seen it, but just adding it to thread):
https://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/block_size_votes/7d?c=block_size_vot es&r=hour&t=bar (site by Kacper Cieśla (comboy))
On 08/25/2015 01:46 AM, Christian Decker wrote:
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> Yes, the two dimensions are orthogonal: BIP 100 support and actual > size voting. However there seem to be a few pools which simply vote > to support BIP100, without specifying a desired block size [1], > hence I started tracking both on the same chart, maybe I'll split > them into different charts to clarify. > > Regards, Chris > > [1] > https://blockchain.info/tx/ba1e5d21a340772d637ee5dc0bde8072ad1a7b499ba
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> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 4:46 PM Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail•com > <mailto:jgarzik@gmail.com>> wrote: > > There is a duplicated column. > > BIP 100 voting is /BV\d+/ > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Christian Decker via bitcoin-dev > <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote: > > I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it > currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote > for generic size: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/ > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev > <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote: > > Hello Nicolas, > > On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote: >>> A visualization I would like to see would include: > >>> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, > 8MB, BIP >>> sipa >> etc) based on what's published in blocks. > >> If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on > BIPxDevs. >> However there is no standard way for miners to vote > informally BIP >> they support. > > What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them > appear in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks? > > I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) > comparison of the votes on these competing proposals. > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing >> list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation•org > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > >
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